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Concepts In This Video: 3-Betting • 4-Betting • Aggression • Bet Sizing • Blind vs Blind • Board Texture • C-Betting • Early Stages • exploiting tendencies • Flatting • Fold Equity • HUD • Implied Odds • Limping • low stakes • Math • Poker Stove • Position • Post-flop • Pot Building • pre-flop • Push Fold • Ranges • Rebuys • Restealing • Showdown Value • Single Table • Theory • Value Betting
MadBaltic
5 rebuy early dont want to get QQ in ? whats up? 😛
TiltedEV
Much fishier opponents=less implied odds needed
Much tougher opponents=more implied odds needed
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rivermen123
it’s daryl vs cjkalt round 2!
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Be more clear about fishier. and what else?
aaaaaaaaa
I think rebuy period was over
FkCoolers
No… it wasn’t. But you explained the flat pre. If he’s nutted and we’re only looking at a range of AK/KK/AA and very seldom JJ a flat is the way to go.
There are “gamble” spots and there are bad spots and I think rebuys make it easy to confuse the two, or at the very least not stop and think about the difference between the two.
Chuck Blaze
its an interesting spot. first question, are we completely ruling out shoving? is that a horrible move? part of me might actually shove in that spot with the dead money in.
i would factor in what i think the blinds might do. if the sb/bb are passive and most likely folding or better yet coming along it makes this a better spot to call. i’d hate to call and then have oen of the blinds squeeze.
also looking at the original raiser his stats are showing he’s pretty tight and not opening too wide. its great to set mine against his range as its weighted towards big hands that will pay us off when they hit (ie AK) or big pocket pairs he’ll get in. also the overcaller here is pretty loose and spazzy based on the stats i see so he’s likely to overvalue his hand anytime he hits.
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As for your 1st question plug int he numbers and see if its a shove or not. I dont think it is but i could be wrong.
I agree with everything else u said here tho. good analysis
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If its rebuy period maybe his range is wider tho.
loxxii
You can call with less implied odds, all the way down to the proper pot odds is you expect to get stacks in when you hit. This happens when your opponents have tighter preflop ranges or if they are more likely to stack off with top pair hands or draws even if they aren’t getting the right price.
You need more implied odds to account for opponents who are good enough to get away from second best hands.
FkCoolers
Yeah, could be even though the sizing looks pretty nutted there
aaaaaaaaa
Ya, I honestly don’t think ppl go off in rebuys like this after thinking about it. I like ur analysis.
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There is 1 more important thing everyone is missing here regarding the set mine
Chuck Blaze
Not sure if it’s what we are looking for but we also risk a minimal hit to our stack size and the reward being a double or possible triple up.
loxxii
You need less implied odds when set mining in position because it gives you a better chance to win the hand without actually hitting your set.
aaaaaaaaa
What are some other ways we can determine the likelihood of winning without a set?
aaaaaaaaa
Ya this is exactly what we mean when we talk about implied odds. The question is when do we need more odds and when do we need less.
Killingbird
Daryl – recently read your post on 2+2 about posing questions to students in the learning process. So stoked that you are utilizing it here and looking forward dto some good discussions!
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Thx! I’m trying to but it aint that easy.
loxxii
I like his too. I am a former teacher and this is how you get results. Is there anything us students can do to make it easier. I want this to continue. Sadly, I think I may be stomped on the set mining one. The position thing was my best effort.
loxxii
Villain’s cbetting frequency, barreling frequency, and board texture.
If we know he cbets a ton but rarely barrels, we can float a lot of boards and take it away on the turn or maybe even bluff raise some flops. This is especially true when stacks (and therefore SPRs) are shorter because he will be making decisions for his entire stack.
We probably wouldn’t want to do this on wet boards, but on dry boards we have a higher likelihood of winning without a set unless the guy is good enough to fire the turn (and possibly the river) with nothing.
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Lol dont think u stomped it. Im not sure but posing thoughts and/or math behind the work would def be prodictive.
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Vs the player u described, what boards would you float now that you wouldn’t normally? Does that add up to a lot? Asking because I have a feeling a lot of boards r just too crappy to call.
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Would be good if other people can discuss thoughts with eachother as well.
FkCoolers
I wish this forums had this much action.
Juni0r83
The AJs hand you had about 24 minutes in, you said you should bet bigger because you get the same amount of calls with a one third bet. I think it’s also worth mentioning that offering people worse odds to call is also less scary to them because it looks less nutted. If you bet 1/3 or 1/2 the pot you’ll actually get more calls because you look less trappy then. This is of course very opponent dependent.
W1ispher
personally,sorry, i struggled to watch this video and in fact stopped after 18 mins because there were so many references to you”sucking at poker today”, which is new to me in training videos.Felt like an english teacher telling me she was not good at spelling that day.However, loved your previous videos so will go onto Part2
loxxii
“At 2013.08.10 11:35, aaaaaaaaa said:
Vs the player u described, what boards would you float now that you wouldn’t normally? Does that add up to a lot? Asking because I have a feeling a lot of boards r just too crappy to call.”
probably dry boards without an A.
loxxii
No, I’m not saying I stomped it. I’m saying it has me stomped meaning I don’t know the answer. Here is a link to a thread KB created where we can organize this discussion a little better.
https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/video-discussions/5r-hand-history-review-with-daryl-jace/#p48775
icantmtt
Hi Darryl
Thanx for the vid, I personally like the comments about you ‘sucking at poker today’. We all suck some days.
Good fold with QQ.
As for the implied odds from the sb. When I’m playing micro-stakes cash games I usually look for about 15-20 to 1 to setmine. This makes it tricky to play against shortstackers. I think you can relax this in an mtt and maybe look for around 8-10 to 1. The reason I say this is the blinds are going to go up anyway and we’ll end up in push/fold mode at some point anyway. This also puts us in the pot with 2 villains with strong ranges and may encourage the BB to come along. This is potentially 3 people that might pay us when we hit our set with TPTK or an overpair or something. To me this makes it worth it to complete.
Red Mosquito
Really thrown off by the “I play bad” comments. Why even have the video on here if this is the case. Am I missing something deeper here?