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First levels SNG weird spots
Kourou
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February 29, 2016 - 3:22 pm
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Here are 2 simlar spots from the begining of the SNG’s.As is it the first levels i ve got no infos about the villains

 

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No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$2.28+$0.22

Blinds 15/30 9
UTG pAAtopoKKer 1,480
UTG+1 KidsSickSon 1,470
MP1 avroti 2,279
MP2 Hero 1,687
MP3 paowinner 1,330
CO MistrMark 1,345
D Devo029 1,357
SB Exodus199 1,450
BB dudu166 1,102

Preflop
9 81 Hero is MP2 Q Q
2 folds, avroti raises to 90, Hero raises to 255, 2 folds, Devo029 calls 255, 2 folds, avroti calls 165
Flop
3 846 5 6 T
avroti checks, Hero bets 484, Devo029 calls 484, avroti folds
Turn
2 1,814 8
Hero bets 840, Devo029 goes all-in 614
River
2 3,268, 1 all-in J
Final Pot 3,268
Hero shows a pair of Queens Q Q
Devo029 shows a pair of Aces A A

Devo029 wins 3,042 (net +1,685)
Hero collects 226 (net –1,357)
avroti lost 259

 

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No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
8 Players
$1.36+$0.14

Blinds 10/20 8
UTG gabby409 1,494
UTG+1 Hero 1,494
MP1 lindy-aa441 1,454
MP2 buugi247 1,494
CO Gv1das 1,484
D GarriMaggary 2,483
SB VERBA86 1,494
BB pasha240580 2,103

Preflop
8 54 Hero is UTG+1 A A
1 fold, Hero raises to 45, lindy-aa441 calls 45, 1 fold, Gv1das calls 45, 2 folds, pasha240580 calls 25
Flop
4 214 5 4 9
pasha240580 checks, Hero bets 145, 1 fold, Gv1das calls 145, pasha240580 calls 145
Turn
3 649 7
pasha240580 checks, Hero checks, Gv1das bets 436, pasha240580 folds, Hero goes all-in 1,301, Gv1das goes all-in 855
River
2 3,241, 2 all-in K
Final Pot 3,241
Gv1das shows three of a kind, Fives 5 5
Hero shows a pair of Aces A A

Gv1das wins 3,231 (net +1,747)
Hero collects 10 (net –1,484)
pasha240580 lost 193
lindy-aa441 lost 48

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February 29, 2016 - 3:59 pm
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I’m glad both of these are early levels, because in SNG’s, especially micro STT’s, these are the more equitable and misplayed SNG’s to be exploited.  Maybe some people don’t play as I do, and that’s fine, but I’ll try to help. 

Let’s start with the QQ hand.  Early levels I am not trying to play for my full stack without a huge edge in hand equity.  I understand they are QQ, I understand we’re beating all but 2 hands.  But when your money goes in the middle early in an STT, the winning hand gets about 85% boost to tourney equity(when you actually won 100% of the chips), the loser is obviously gone, but the real winners are everyone else at the table, who split up the remaining equity. In an STT (and this is CRITICAL), the MORE chips you have in your stack, the LESS each one is actually worth from an equity standpoint.  So, that being said……let’s do preflop first.  You chose the 3-bet line, which is perfectly standard tournament play here.  It also announces to the table that you’re preparing to play this hand for stacks.  But, you’ve bloated the pot now, plus, Devo has flatted your 3-bet (which shows crazy strength, or stupidity, and most of the time in micro STT’s, this isn’t always a stud hand).  You’re forced to play a hand for stacks that, while a lot of the time it’s ahead, a lot of the time it’s also way behind or coinflipping (and we don’t want to coinflip worse players early in tourneys).  In an early stage STT, I often flat EP raises with QQ.  This does two things.  One, it’s keeping pot size deflated when we’re not totally certain we have the best of it.  Two, when people behind us wake up with big hands, we can reevaluate. 

If we call the QQ here, Devo shouldn’t be flatting aces into a raise and call, because he’s now inviting more action when he wants aces isolated.  If he 3-bets, you can at least reevaluate.  Do I think you get away from the hand completely?  Maybe not, it’s a cooler hand, obviously, but if you’re initial thought is “how do I keep this pot small for value” instead of “how do I stack this guy,” there may be a fold to be had there.  Honestly, we are going broke here a lot as the hand played out, but it’s just a thought to remember.

Second hand is pretty similar, but this one can be gotten away from.  We have aces, we are happy, we would love to get it in preflop regardless of the stage of the STT.  My first critique here is bet sizing.  If you’re going to bother with a raise in a micro STT, it has to be min 3x at 10-20, 15-30, and honestly 25-50.  Anything else is going to have what happened here, 4-5 flats.  As it turns out, we are 4 handed to a flop of 549r.  We cont bet the flop pot sized and get 2 callers.  This goes back to pot bloating.  Why the full pot?  Half to 2/3rd’s here gives us the proper info.  Let’s look at the texture of the board.  Very dry, nothing scary, perfect for aces, and yet we have 2 calls to a roughly pot sized bet now.  As it’s played, my mindset is now not trying to get the aces in with stacks, it’s trying to get them to a showdown cheaply.  They have pieces of the flop or draws, and now, once again, the pot is starting to bloat.  The turn check raise is unnecessary.  What hands call you that you beat?  Top pair is a 9….a more profitable line here would be to check/call the turn and hope you get checkbacks.  The 55’s would probably lead out on the turn as they did, and you can evaluate.  Could you still be going broke?  Sure, happens all the time, and it’s not easy to get away from.

Both of these hands call out a mindset in early levels that I see a LOT of people playing micro STT’s making.  Overbloating pots and overplaying big pair hands early in tournaments.  The reason it feels like these hands get cracked a lot is because people commit themselves to them, and when the money goes in during the board runout, it’s because someone made a hand that beats one pair.  Win the tournament at the end, that’s where the money is.  Don’t try to catch these fish going bonkers early, be the guy/girl grabbing equity from their bustouts!  Good luck and run good!

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March 1, 2016 - 3:30 pm
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I heard what you said and ased on them i played the following hand.Do you think that this could be +EV?

 

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No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
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Blinds 15/30 9
UTG jvmantovani 1,560
UTG+1 bembetto_d 1,426
MP1 Disnej9 1,123
MP2 tennajkrajsi 1,446
MP3 maziero61 1,503
CO Lybotin 1,503
D Hackdasbo 1,960
SB whatzas 1,513
BB Hero 1,466

Preflop
9 81 Hero is BB K K
1 fold, bembetto_d calls 30, 2 folds, maziero61 calls 30, 3 folds, Hero raises to 155, bembetto_d calls 125, maziero61 calls 125
Flop
3 516 7 J 8
Hero bets 247, bembetto_d calls 247, maziero61 goes all-in 1,344, Hero folds, bembetto_d goes all-in 1,020
Turn
2 3,374, 2 all-in K
River
2 3,374, 2 all-in 9
Final Pot 3,374
bembetto_d shows a straight, Seven to Jack T A
maziero61 shows a pair of Jacks J A

bembetto_d wins 3,297 (net +1,871)
maziero61 collects 77 (net –1,426)
Hero lost 406

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March 1, 2016 - 5:27 pm
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Preflop: The raise with KK here is perfect sizing.  With 2 limpers in the BB, 5x is very reasonable sizing, and we should get good value.  We know exactly what we’re looking for here, can look to go hard with a good flop, if an ace falls, we can switch to pot size control and can cut our losses with resistance.

Flop:  This is one of those mixed bag flops with KK multiway.  There are a lot of inside straights and flush draws that hit this flop and will look to get lucky in a micro, so my continuation bet is going to look to price out those draws.  You went half pot here, which is fine, a little more wouldn’t hurt a lot (around 2/3rds pot) to define your hand a little more.  When I get call shove, we have to look at what makes sense here.  What are we beating that likely shows up?  Likely shoves here that beat us are sets, the flopped straight, two pair can show up in some weird ways.  We are ahead of top pair, pair and flush draws, inside straight draws, and air.  With a third of our stack in, and the extra equity from the 3rd tagalong, this is a rough spot.  I’ve called off in this spot before, and I’ve folded and kept going with my 1000 stack left.  I usually advocate folding early in rough spots, but I don’t think I can punish a call in this spot.  

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March 1, 2016 - 5:49 pm
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Thanks man.I thougt that pocket 77 , 88 and 9 10 would be in their range.They could have many draws for sure also but as you said without many infos sometimes call is good other times fold.

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March 1, 2016 - 10:22 pm
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Great posts. And the three hands help provide contrast regarding when it’s OK to bloat a pot.

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Nice posts here, especially from Maverick (though I’m not wild about the “define your hand” idea – it’s plenty well defined already, and that’s not a good thing!). Nate and I will be discussing the two hands in the OP on Episode 163 of the Thinking Poker Podcast, which will air on Monday.

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